tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post8281253446161545344..comments2024-03-18T00:39:00.120-07:00Comments on The truth about TVXQ: [Translation] Summary of the trial session on March 15, 2011Precioushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17875290064712800098noreply@blogger.comBlogger207125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-6187942648021838722021-09-20T02:00:30.645-07:002021-09-20T02:00:30.645-07:00DUE DILIGENCE JOB JAKARTA<a href="https://legalduediligenceonlinejakarta.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">DUE DILIGENCE JOB JAKARTA</a>Admin Mediahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09245825913406936832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-20741237971079037472011-09-27T23:49:16.178-07:002011-09-27T23:49:16.178-07:00@Precious,thank so much for taking so much of your...@Precious,thank so much for taking so much of your time to translate and also,to read thru all comments and respond to them so nicely.<br /><br />take ur time to post the part II of dnbn!no rush.i myself had been taking time to read every post of urs plus the comments.all of them are insightful.learned a lot regarding the issues and ppl's opinions.im happy to be here,just sometimes some comments are too much too handle when the environment here is so peaceful.vivihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955152514814885410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-67462328371627250942011-09-21T16:10:06.173-07:002011-09-21T16:10:06.173-07:00@ vivi
I respect your decision to question everyt...@ vivi<br /><br />I respect your decision to question everything you read including mine. That's actually what I'd suggest people to do, and if the fans acted like you did, trying to look at things objectively (no one's perfectly objective), then things would've turned out much better.<br /><br />As for translations, try to get a Korean who's not a fan of TVXQ and have him/her verify it. Simple. Most of the translations should be correct, even some of the JYJ ones. You just need to interpret the translations correctly.<br /><br />The trial is in mediation currently, and I haven't heard anything new happen yet.<br /><br />There were several trial sessions that was held already, and I will go ever everything (I wish I had more time...)<br /><br />The reason there are people bashing HoMin is because some people don't even know about the information presented on this blog, some refuse to believe it and chooses to believe JYJ side, and some simply lies for their oppas interest.Precioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17875290064712800098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-59858180487887284562011-09-20T08:33:53.836-07:002011-09-20T08:33:53.836-07:00you can count me as one of ur silent readers as we...you can count me as one of ur silent readers as well.but that is mainly because i still dunno which side was being honest and at my first time reading this blog,I was happy at least there are ppl out there who gave yunho and changmin and sm a benefit of doubt reagardless what the other side claim.but I also couldn’t help but feel im just cheating myself and trying to make myself feel gd cos whoever I believe in is the correct one.thus I chose not to believe in anything I read if it came from blogs/fans. but now with so many shitty things gg on,i feel like i need to know the truth and dont judge the 5 based on intuition or judgement just because im a changmin's bias and just because jyj with their angelic faces are not capable of lying.<br />i was crazy abt dbsk aft mirotic with changmin as my bias.that aside,i really enjoyed watching all of them.therefore,im still scared to find out the truth because its obvious from the way things go,one side is not telling the truth and i do not want to tarnish anyone's image in my mind (which i alr know is far from truth since i do not know them personally and i cant read their mind and just a few hrs a day watching their variety shows,perfs and music awards do not render me a good friend of theirs).<br /> im not here to question or judge whether this translation is correct or not or whether the one presented by the trio's stans is the correct one.i just wanted to know how are we so sure the summary of trial session supplied by 2paradise is completely correct and not biased(since I see that the site is biased towards homin). i know i sound like an anti but i just want to be sure. also,have u had the copy of the full trial session?and do u know how is the progress of the lawsuit till now?and do u have any idea why homin’s side has been so quiet with so much shit thrown to them. I liked them because of their songs and how they appear in variety shows,but aft 2 yrs of lawsuit,I couldn’t help but to respect them as well. And why are so there so many ppl that keep bashing homin if let say what are said here is true(and ppl now has the access to it)<br />Sorry for being so long winded and just to warn,English isn’t my first language[sorry that the warning comes last].i know im kind of late but better to be late than to never know the truth.thanks so muchvivihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14087350851643453177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-44401579505699676082011-06-12T10:25:44.476-07:002011-06-12T10:25:44.476-07:00@ g18
Reading the court transcript, it sounds lik...@ g18<br /><br />Reading the court transcript, it sounds like SM took care of some of the expenses CJS incurred despite being in the middle of lawsuit with them, and that was considered as advance. SM was still trying to get CJS back to the company, also CJS were (and still are) technically under contract with SM.Precioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17875290064712800098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-22300959560116921472011-06-12T05:07:31.274-07:002011-06-12T05:07:31.274-07:00I'm... Kinda lost actually. How did JYJ be abl...I'm... Kinda lost actually. How did JYJ be able to get advance in 2010? They've already filed a lawsuit against SM in July 2009(if i'm not mistaken), isn't it? Aren't they supposedly being stopped from going back to the company? Can anyone explain this?g18https://www.blogger.com/profile/03523069528104828704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-68765007032379494922011-04-24T05:41:37.753-07:002011-04-24T05:41:37.753-07:00actually @Precious, i really don't know who to...actually @Precious, i really don't know who to believe. i just wish this would end really quick.Syaza Mar'iyahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14293847167880864331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-11609122626940329672011-04-09T17:56:01.642-07:002011-04-09T17:56:01.642-07:00@ trye-false-951
Huh??????????
@ apooli
I guess I...@ trye-false-951<br />Huh??????????<br /><br />@ apooli<br />I guess I'm not the only one who has no clue what trye-false-951 is talking about. LOLPrecioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17875290064712800098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-24042218760840083012011-04-09T15:53:36.764-07:002011-04-09T15:53:36.764-07:00@ trye-false-951 are you trying to say that the in...@ trye-false-951 are you trying to say that the information Precious has provided on here is false? Because he provides evidence On this blog and we can check it out for ourselves if we don't believe him. I don't know about the Japanese site but on this blog there is no misleading information. Have you read this blog or have you just left a comment without bothering to acquaint yourself with the information provided here. Why don't you pinpoint what information you think is misleading? What points aren't you happy with? Finally are you saying Precious is a hotel girl? Clarify what your saying and stop beating about the bush.apoolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05874781130325365406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-16031911742163458942011-04-09T14:20:37.405-07:002011-04-09T14:20:37.405-07:00Somebody that believe Precious,do you exactly know...Somebody that believe Precious,do you exactly know what happen about them?i think you don't know who is Hotel Girl in Japan.Japanese fans mislead information about JYJ and the lawsuit… that is why the biggest anti JYJ site in Japan.you can see they have done a huge damage in Japan (and korea)They are a highly organized group of HoMin fans, anti JYJ.They are not the typical troll,we used to see on International forums, they like “professional antis”.One Japanese famous blogger was found out to be a Hotel girl… they organize meetings they post misleading information about the lawsuit not only in TVXQ related blogs but also in news that had nothing to do with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-11109467238510233022011-04-06T20:03:22.018-07:002011-04-06T20:03:22.018-07:00@Hyeonmu
Personally I agree with most of what you ...@Hyeonmu<br />Personally I agree with most of what you said. I just had to point that out because a lot of sites have twisted the information about what the FTC actually ordered. The order had almost nothing to do with there current artist only with trainees who would have had 3 years tacked on to there contracts once they debut. What I found funny was JYJ fans were touting it as a win when the order had nothing to do with current idols.LadyYejinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619472843504207277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-71863564982545148802011-04-06T15:50:13.201-07:002011-04-06T15:50:13.201-07:00@Hyeonmu
Technically they only ordered them to cha...@Hyeonmu<br />Technically they only ordered them to change trainees contract lengths they voluntarily changed other artists contracts. Also according to there guidelines TVXQ contract length could be considered valid because lengthening of contracts is okay if it is due to overseas promotions which is why it was. So SM does not have to reduce the contract. SM has changed TVXQ contract in the past to fit guidelines but the latest contract extension followed guidelines despite the fact that most people would think it is a bit long. Only trainees were a part of the FTC order not there idols if they were or are shortened it would be SM's decision.LadyYejinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619472843504207277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-52035424989039290082011-04-04T23:06:02.168-07:002011-04-04T23:06:02.168-07:00@LadyYejin
If we are to trust the information we ...@LadyYejin<br /><br />If we are to trust the information we have received so far, the complaint was first brought in by Japanese fans, through AVEX, which means there will be some definitive proof. I doubt that a company like AVEX and SM would miss their due dilligence in terms of their artists' image when they receive a complaint from fans. The next witness is also the CEO of SM Japan, which means she will have knowledge about TVXQ's activity in Japan, along with every neccessary detail regarding their work, their agreement with AVEX, even how the whole system works.<br /><br />All I can say about the whole situation is this, if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear. Considering SM has put their top people on the stand, I see that at least they show commitment to the proccess. <br /><br />In regards of the result of the lawsuit, even if the contract is considered valid, the most JYJ must do is finish the remaining of their contract after it is reduced as FTC ordered. But considering the fact that SM must have incur losses due to TVXQ's hiatus in 2010 (especially if it is proven that JYJ's side never even tried to negotiate with SM), not only the advances, but the deposit that the court ordered them to place will be rewarded to SM as well.<br /><br />Again, this is all my opinion and I don't know what the future holds, but I do know that whatever ruling the court will bring, this is only a new beginning for both sides, and not the magical solution to this fandoms' problem like so many people wants to believe.Hyeonmuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12105111855569051641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-91671955121351919882011-04-04T20:30:07.619-07:002011-04-04T20:30:07.619-07:00@karenteh
Perjury is a punishable offense of up to...@karenteh<br />Perjury is a punishable offense of up to 5 years in prison in South Korea. No one with that much to lose would lie on the stand. Also considering the diversionary tactics that Crebeau is playing you know what this lady s gonna say will not be good for them.LadyYejinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619472843504207277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-72142843792636043512011-04-04T20:27:17.733-07:002011-04-04T20:27:17.733-07:00@Hyeonmu
Personally I believe that SM has a very g...@Hyeonmu<br />Personally I believe that SM has a very good shot at winning this lawsuit. As you have said this is about the contract being valid. The contract as it is follows most of the set standards in Korea. That is how you base validity legally. From everything that has come out and is coming out SM has the upper hand in the situation. If worse comes to worse and JYJ does win SM won't be leaving empty anyways. JYJ will still be required to pay back all advances that were given to them that had yet to be payed off. Those don't go away just because the contract ends. Crebeau and JYJ are playing some very good diversionary tactics probably because they know the information that's ahead will not be favoring them. Like you said this lawsuit is not about fraud or defamation it's about validating a contract. Guess what you don't get to walk away from a signed contract just because you don't want to do what they say.LadyYejinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619472843504207277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-50660511382280520222011-04-04T05:59:36.322-07:002011-04-04T05:59:36.322-07:00@LadyYejin:
Thank you for the info, I agree compl...@LadyYejin:<br /><br />Thank you for the info, I agree completely. What Precious has done is compiling information accessible from a public domain site and arriving into his on conclusion. He doesn't come up with crazy wild theories that he couldn't support or provide a link to. Not to mention the fact that he resides in a country that upholds free speech would make it even more difficult to make the lawsuit stick.<br /><br />@karenteh<br /><br />No matter what fans say, no matter if they are hardcore HoMin or hardcore JYJ, none of them would have any power over a testimony made in court. So what if fans doesn't believe SM's witness? They don't have to, because they are not the law.<br /><br />In my own personal opinion, I think that the contract will be voided, SM will need to pay JYJ whatever amount of money they owe them according to the contract up to 2010, but there is a possibility that SM will also be granted they deposit that JYJ had to submit in 2009. Either way, this lawsuit is not about 'fraud' or 'defamation', but about deciding whether the contract is valid or not, so that's what the court will decide on.Hyeonmuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12105111855569051641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-68675095519988586142011-04-04T03:20:01.095-07:002011-04-04T03:20:01.095-07:00@Precious
They are so desperate until they resort...@Precious<br /><br />They are so desperate until they resorted to threaten a blogger like you?<br />If Crebeau to sue Precious, is equal saying CJS and family to sue Precious. OMG, what have you done to make THEM trembled? LOL<br /><br />If this is just another diversion act, i believe it is not meant to prevent SM witness from testifying about Crebeau incident in Japan, it is about diverting fans attention from the lawsuit. Hard core JYJ fans once commented - how can you believe testimony from SM's witness? Well is it true that giving fabricated testimony will get jail term up to 5 years in Korea? Who shall we believe, the one who dare to take a stand at court or the one who avoiding it?11192006https://www.blogger.com/profile/14226210753053323532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-3267376349085931442011-04-04T00:58:06.105-07:002011-04-04T00:58:06.105-07:00@Precious:
Sue u? To be honest, I worry about ur ...@Precious:<br /><br />Sue u? To be honest, I worry about ur safety (because of creepy haters) more than the scare of this blog being shut down. I believe don't scare anything because u don't do anything wrong.<br /><br />As for people who always wanders around to steal ur works and put effort to edit LOL: No secret could be keep forever so "If u don't want people know about ur acts, the only way is don't do it."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-65805680178769248462011-04-04T00:03:21.604-07:002011-04-04T00:03:21.604-07:00@Hyeonmu
See the problem is in Korea anyone slande...@Hyeonmu<br />See the problem is in Korea anyone slandering a company or person regardless of whether the facts are true or not can be charged of a crime.In fact you can even get prison time but most only get a fine. You actually have to have the purpose to slander said person though. A blog like this that is just releasing information not stating blindness rumors would most likely not be charged. Not only that Precious has said that he is not currently residing in Korea. So the website is not based there so he could not even be charged and even if he was it would be a difficult process for them. In America unless published, libel or slander is very hard to prove because of our first amendment rights. If Precious is residing here they would not allow someone from Korea to charge him for something that is technically not illegal.LadyYejinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619472843504207277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-28899236084763984922011-04-03T23:58:12.392-07:002011-04-03T23:58:12.392-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.LadyYejinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13619472843504207277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-52665095578797750552011-04-03T18:29:11.790-07:002011-04-03T18:29:11.790-07:00Is it just me, or does anyone else is having a rea...Is it just me, or does anyone else is having a really strong sense of Deja Vu with the things that are happening lately? It's like '2009 part two'. From the boycott to the petition to the defamation suits to all the fan obsessiveness to protect their idols. Honestly, I feel like I am actually reliving the episode of the drama I have only read about before.<br /><br />Regarding defamation... I don't really know how Korean law works, but I do know that in terms of a legal lawsuit, there are several things that the plaintiff need to prove to the court in order to make the lawsuit valid. One, they need to ensure that the statements has ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS IN TRUTH WHATSOEVER, and two THE STATEMENT WAS GIVEN WITH A MALICIOUS INTENT.<br /><br />If they do report Precious, that means the DA would have to go through all the documents he has provided and linked to legally justify that Precious has 'fabricated facts', considering so far this blog has been pretty good with linking the sources, this would not be so simple to prove.<br /><br />Next, the hardest part is the 'malicious intent', this is the reason why WeShop+ and SM failed in their lawsuits, how do you prove that Precious wrote this blog with the intention to defame WeShop+? All he does is collect and translate other articles along with supplementing his own opinions.<br /><br />If by reading his argument a certain public opinion is formed, then how do you calculate that it is all solely because they read his blog and not due to some other correlated events?<br /><br />Libel isn't something that easy to prove, if it is, then both WeShop+ and SM wouldn't have gotten their cases thrown out of the window by the court.<br /><br />Then again, everything said above is just my personal opinion, but for me, if they claim Precious to be defaming WeShop+, then I can think of another blog that has spent their time defaming Yunho and Changmin. #justsaying.Hyeonmuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12105111855569051641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-39851738622679282012011-04-03T17:17:56.501-07:002011-04-03T17:17:56.501-07:00OMG I was looking for info about JYJ with this wor...OMG I was looking for info about JYJ with this words "JYJ liars" and then I saw this awful drawing, I do not understand nothing (japanese) but the drawings say a lot. <br />Poor JYJ, but they are so ..., I feel sorry for them but they must stop now. ¿Do you think they might tell the truth someday? I hope they do.<br /><br />http://ameblo.jp/makinko-ko/entry-10740522320.html#main<br /><br />Precious you can delete this post if you want, it might be inappropriate.<br />Sorry but I just think Changmin is suffering and he will suffer if JYJ win and then I feel nervous. Hope all this ends in a good way for both sides. I just wish JYJ could say the truth. <br />Thank you again for all your hard work.soflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11146541417030242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-14862111760460112292011-04-03T15:57:16.303-07:002011-04-03T15:57:16.303-07:00LOL, are they (CJS) really stupid or they just pre...LOL, are they (CJS) really stupid or they just pretend to be like that?<br />About my statement "they are very smart" (in music business)...<br />I have to take it back, JYJ we already know who owns that company; if they let Crebeau take serious legal action against "rumor-spreaders" (facts) then where is their noble heart? <br />Do not forget, they are beautiful angels. <br /><br />BTW, maybe JYJ fans should sign petition for freedom of speech for Precious and others and of course another one for animals rights too, please JYJ fans do not let EVIL CREBEAU continue abusing animals and people rights, LOL. These girls are so hilarious.<br />Hypocrites!!<br />And then CJS said they want to be farmers, be careful dear oppas, refrain from having animals. <br /><br />Everything falls under its own weight.<br />Please JYJ stop it now.soflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11146541417030242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-41963713007212727632011-04-03T14:21:02.457-07:002011-04-03T14:21:02.457-07:00@ apooli
I'm sure a company would discuss thi...@ apooli<br /><br />I'm sure a company would discuss things like this with majority owners especially when the matter is directly related to the owners. :)Precioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17875290064712800098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3913899626841067494.post-80329449541950746122011-04-03T13:14:28.474-07:002011-04-03T13:14:28.474-07:00@ Precious,
I was thinking the same thing about c...@ Precious,<br /><br />I was thinking the same thing about cjs. Since they and some family members own 62.5% of crebeau, do you think they knew before hand about the decision to take legal action on the neitzens?apoolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05874781130325365406noreply@blogger.com