You've all heard about it: The 6.23 meeting. It's the meeting that was supposedly held by people from HoMin's side to spread malicious rumors against CJS. As was the case with Forever, does anyone know exactly what the meeting was about? Is there any proof that the meeting ever happened?
We know exactly what the 6.25 meeting was about because there is a definite proof, the voice recording. We know who were the participants, what was talked about, and what happened afterward. Also, accurate and consistent details of the 6.25 meeting were known among the fans even before the recording was widely spread, but nothing was known about the 6.23 meeting. Even the "World famous but no one ever read until posted on this blog" Forever article posted on June 26th had the details of 6.25 meeting, but the 6.23 meeting? Nothing.
It's been almost 2 years since June 2009, but no one seems to know exactly what that meeting was about. Some say Yunho's father held the meeting, some say it's someone from SM, or others say (gulp!) it was Forever who started spreading the rumors since June 23, 2009. The claims are all over the place and no one seems to know exactly what the meeting was about. Those accusers cannot even agree on the exact date because some claims the meeting was on June 24th.
The readers of this blog who's been following this "saga" should recognize the pattern by now. The inconsistency of those claims leads to the predictable conclusion: ANOTHER FABRICATED LIE.
The reason for making up the 6.23 meeting is obvious: to justify the 6.25 meeting. Ironically, the origin and the most used proof for the 6.23 meeting is from the 6.25 meeting itself. It was Jaejoong's sister who said that "Some parents already had a meeting like this and caused the 3 to be criticized. [6.25 recording File 3 @ 0:53]"
People who trust blindly what's said in the 6.25 meeting use her statement as the proof, and also that is the reason why 6.23 meeting needed to be fabricated since Jaejoong's sister would be lying if the meeting didn't happen.
Ok, so let's assume 6.25 meeting was held because of a meeting on June 23rd. According to the dialogues from the 6.25 meeting, CJS's parents were holding the meeting in response to the rumors spread from the meeting some parents already had. Are we to believe that the rumors spread so fast, CJS who at the time weren't even in Korea heard them and got so worried that they called the parents in less than 2 days to hold a meeting in response? According to Jaejoong's sister, the meeting by "some parents" had such an impact that all the blame for the breakup was pointed at the 3, and the 3 were having such a hard time and felt like dying all within a span of less than 2 days [File 3 @ 0:55]. It just doesn't fit.
Also let's not forget that CJS sent the notice to SM on June 24th to void the contract which shows that the move was planned for some time. In this news article (http://star.mt.co.kr/view/stview.php?no=2009073123161889504&outli-nk=2&SVEC) published on July 31, 2009, the CJS law firm Sejong states that they have been in contact with CJS for at least 2 months so they've been getting legal consulting since early June.
I guess it makes perfect sense for some people, but I'd at least give about a week and say that there was a 6.18 meeting or something instead of just 2 days. Also the fact that CJS' parents and SM had an argument in June 6th (stated by CJS and HoMin's parents) and there were whispers of some members visiting Sejong Law Firm, the 6.25 meeting seems to be well planned ahead, not because of some phantom meeting in June 23.
Also don't forget that even if we assume there was a meeting in June 23 from HoMin's side, it still doesn't justify 6.25 meeting that were full of lies and was held to frame HoMin for the breakup with reasons that were proven to be false. The lies about 6.23 meeting was spread to divert the fans' attention from the real issues of the 6.25 meeting.
Anyways, there's absolutely no proof that there was an actual meeting that took place, let alone it was held by HoMin's side personnel. We know 6.25 meeting was held in Kangnam Baptist Church, but there's no information where the 6.23 meeting was held. The only thing that resembles as some proofs are some screencaps of chat sessions and some PM's to claim that there were some Yunho's fans spreading rumors. I don't think any of the international fans actually saw those screencaps, so here they are with the translation.
I got the screencaps from this blog : http://order623.egloos.com This blog supports CJS and that's where international CJS fans got the info as well. It looks like the English article explaining about Forever and the 6.23 got most of the information from that blog and simply translated and re-arranged the articles from that blog.
The following are screencaps from the links referenced in this page: http://order623.egloos.com/3669088
I'll transcribe the texts in Korean then translate the texts right after the transcript.
First, here's the screencap of what they claim to be "Forever-esque" rumors from "Myclub".
Here are two replies posted on June 23, 2009 that are boxed in blue (they were already boxed by CJS supporters).
그 화장품이 동방신기 이미지를 이용해서 전 아시아적으로 체인점으로 낼려고 그랬소. 그런데...
The cosmetics (company) was going to open up franchises all over Asia using TVXQ's image. But...
동방신기중 세명이 동방 계약을 파기할려고 하오.
Three members within TVXQ is trying to break the contract.
They claim that the above two posts are "Forever-esque" rumors spread by HoMin fans. I guess you can call those rumors, but as we all know now, they were all proven to be true, and besides, Forever's article don't have a single word about the cosmetics business so I don't see how those posts could be considered "Forever-esque".
Now an entry from a blog by a TVXQ fan.
동방신기 시아준수, 샤이니 종현, 슈퍼주니어 규현
이미 녹음 작업 끝. 가을 경 활동 예정?
이미 작년 가을부터 돌던 소문이었는데...
준수가 유닛으로 활동을 하게 되면서..
각자 개인활동의 신호탄이 도리 것이라는 얘기.
이제서야 소문이 돌고.. 블로그에 난리구나.
차라리 유닛을 하고 다른 소문들은 사라졌으면 좋겠다.
준수는 유닛을 하고.. 다른 멤버들은 처음 개인활동에 관한 소문에 의한 일들을 하고..
요즘 흉흉하게 도는 소문들은 없던일로 돌아갔으면 좋겠다.
말도 안되게.. 왜 그런 이유로 헤어져야만 한다는 것일까?
다른 이유도 아닌 그 사업으로 인해서 왜 이런 시련을 겪어야 하는 것일까?
그냥 그건 좀 나중에 해도 되잖아.
꼬옥 동방신기, 토호신기로써의 네임밸류의 가치가 극대화 되어 있는 이 시점에..
굳이 왜 그 최고정점에 오른 네임밸류를 버리고 그것을 선택해야만 하는 것일까?
솔직히 이해가 되지 않아.
얘들아 지금은 아니잖아, 지금은....
누가 애들에게 그 사업을 소개해준거야?
그 사람 잡아서 족치고 싶어. 아오... 진짜!!!!
TVXQ's Xiah Junsu, Shinee's Jonghyun and Super Junior's Gyuhyun.
Recording is already completed. Activities planned around fall?
This rumor was floating around since last fall...
Junsu will start unit activities...
which will signal each member's individual activities..
It's spreading now and blogs are getting noisy.
I'd rather prefer (for them) to have unit activities, and other rumors to disappear.
Junsu does unit... other members do individual activities just like the rumors spread before...
and I wish other horrible rumors that's spreading these days would disappear..
It's absurd... why would they part ways for such reason?
Why would they go through this difficulty, not for any other reason, but because of that business?
They could do that later.
This is the time when the value of TVXQ, Tohoshinki's name is at its peak.
Why do they have to abandon the name at the peak and choose that?
To be honest, I don't understand.
Guys.. now is not the time, not now...
Who introduced that business to them?
I want to get'em and beat'em up. Arghgh...Really!!!
Above post seems to show that the fan knew about the breakup being caused by the cosmetics business. The above blogger says that the talk of Junsu's unit activity was spreading since fall of 2008, and also other member's individual activities were planned as well. BTW, can you guess what Junsu's unit activity was going to be? "S.M. The Ballad" anyone? Obviously, Junsu threw it away and managed to derail others' activities at the same time. SMTB was originally planned for fall of 2009 according to that blogger. The above blog also proves that HoMin were not the only ones who had plans of individual activities, and the plans were already known to the fans, so it totally disproves that HoMin stayed in SM because of the lure of individual activities.
Now let's look at other evidences that claim to link Yunho's individual fans with 6.23.
Here's a PM from a Yunho's fan, calling for a chat session with other Yunho's fans.
Hi, I don't know if you know me. I am Paul***, a Yunho's fan who uploads Yunho's material time to time on Soul Dresser. ^^;;; I'm sending the PM urgently to Yunho's fans on Soul Dresser because I have something to tell you. I'm going to open up a chatting session around 10pm. It'll take around 30 minutes to an hour, I wanna know if it's possible for you to join. I'm going to talk about something really important, so I'd like Yunho's fans to participate. Soul Dresser Chatting room at 10PM. Title is 1234, and the password is 0206.
I guess they had a chatting session after the PM was sent to Yunho's fans. Here's a text file of that chatting session. It's not even a screencap but just a text file which can be manipulated easily, but they're using it as an evidence regardless. Here it is anyways.
The session's really long, so I'm just going to summarize it.
The person who requested the meeting (Paul***) says that she (I assume the user is a female) heard from Yuchun's fan that CJS will leave the team around middle of July because of Crebeau, basically for money. One of the participant already knew about some members visiting Sejong Law Firm (one who's defending CJS in this lawsuit), and Paul thinks CJS got assurances from Sejong that they can win the case. She says that CJS will use excessive work and the slave contract for justification. Then they go on to talk about other things related to the news. There's some criticizing/bashing of CJS for leaving the band for the cosmetics and Junsu's parents for getting involved too much, but those kind of responses were to be expected from fans who are talking about CJS breaking up TVXQ for Crebeau. Basically, it's just a typical chatting session among individual fans after hearing shocking news of the breakup, and also most of the things talked about during that session became true as well.
Now here's another evidence they present. It's a screencap of a chatting session between a Yunho's fansite admin and Junsu's fansite admin.
I'll use Y for Yunho's admin, and J for Junsu's.
Here's the translation.
Y: Is it true that TVXQ is breaking up?
Y: There's saying that Junsu's side is signing with CJ.
J: I think it's just a rumor.
Y: I heard that Junsu's father said it...
J: I'll ask (Junsu's father) tomorrow.
J: It does look like they're not getting along.
Y: I don't think it's just not getting along. It looks like they're split into 3:2.
That screencap was initially spread by Junsu's fansite admin with the last digit of the date erased to make it appear the conversations took long before the actual date (June 24) to claim Yunho's fansite admin was spreading rumors well ahead, but later was debunked with full screencap showing the actual date by the justifiably upset Yunho's admin.
OK, so I've translated many so called "evidences" presented by 6.23 advocates, but the only thing they show is that the fans were aware of problems with Crebeau, and they heard rumors that TVXQ was going to break up because of the business. I guess you can call those "rumors", but everything happened according to those "rumors" eventually. If you listen to the 6.25 meeting, it's obvious CJS' fans knew about those rumors as well since CJS' parents spent most of the meeting giving excuses about Crebeau so there really isn't any proof that those rumors were started by HoMin's side. It wasn't a secret that CJS were involved in Crebeau. They were already doing business and opening up stores everywhere. The fancam of CJS' participation in Crebeau's business presentation in January was already available. Fans already knew about the members visiting the law firm too, so it probably wasn't really difficult to figure out that something was going on.
So was there a 6.23 meeting? No. There's no voice recording, not even a transcript nor the place it was held. 6.23 meeting was fabricated with few screencaps of fan interactions to justify the 6.25 meeting. It's really unbelievable that some people do not hesitate to accuse HoMin's parents and/or even HoMin themselves for holding some kind of meeting with those so called "evidences" which don't prove anything. It would be understandable if 6.25 meeting was held to just talk about those so called rumors, but the fact is that 3 guardians of CJS held a meeting and actually told LIES to put all the blame for the TVXQ's breakup on HoMin, and directed the participants of the meeting to spread those lies.
P.S. I'd like to apologize to the readers of this blog for taking so long posting updates. As I said in the comments, I've been really busy lately, but I should be able to post more often now. At least TVXQ has been doing really well with their new commercials and Yunho's Kiss and Cry reality show.