Saturday, February 26, 2011

[Translation] A Japanese fan at the scene of bashing

This is a fanaccount from a Japanese fan living in Los Angeles who happened to be at the Inchon Airport in Korea when Yunho was leaving for the Michael Jackson Tribute rehearsal on March 5, 2010. The fanaccount was a couple of comments posted on a Japanese blogger's blog about 6.25 meeting. Most Japanese fans know which blog I am talking about. This fanaccount is very well known among the Korean and Japanese fans. It really gets me enraged whenever I read it, and brings tears to my eyes how those two young men have suffered for something they did not cause.

The translation is from Korean translation. I've posted Japanese text after my translation. I've also posted two youtube video clips from the airports at Inchon and L.A.


64. From LA


Thank you for spending your valuable time for the justice, and for Yunho and Changmin.
Aoi-san's courage to go against dishonesty is much appreciated.

I'm a Yunho fan living in Los Angeles.
Previously, I was an all-fan (OT5 fan) of TVXQ, but I now only support Yunho and Changmin.

On March 5th of this year (2010) on the way back to Los Angeles via Seoul from Ho Chi Minh City where my parents live and after spending a night in Seoul, the flight from Inchon to Los Angeles happened to be the same as Yunho's.

At that time, several women were following Yunho from check-in to baggage area while shouting something and holding signs. I didn't know the words, but I knew they were cursing. Since I didn't know Korean, I asked a Korean nearby while wondering what was happening. 

The words written in Korean were "Dog of SM" and "Traitor, Go to Hell!"

The words being shouted were countless profanities.

Yunho gave a glance to those, but started to walk straight while looking ahead as if nothing had happened.

I've heard about them through rumors, but this was the first time since I was born witnessing the scene of bashing.
I felt uncomfortable just by watching it, heart beating hard and body shaking.
I wonder what Yunho was feeling at that moment...
Even now when I recall that scene, it's such a trauma I get restless.
Even a 3rd person like me felt that way, and I wonder how the person who was targeted must've felt...

Around that time, the whole world turned against Yunho and Changmin as its enemy.

A decent man in his 20’s, betrayed by the colleagues who were like family, and I wonder how much his heart was hurt and suffered pain, being bashed in such it could not be described in words…


65  From LA(2)

Now I know about 6.25, I understand that everything was conspired by the 3 and their parents.
The bashing I saw in front of me was just a tip of the iceberg.
I wonder how much suffering Yunho and Changmin had to bear because of them.

The two are not even saying a word of pity or resentment to us fans.
They really withstood it well.
Right now, I do not have any word to say to the 2, but to say "Thank you."

And I will never forget this 6.25.
I do not hate the 3 and their parents.
But I truly despise them.
We shouldn’t forget 6.25 until those people who harmed Yunho and Changmin sincerely apologize.

(added) When we arrived in Los Angeles, there were around 10 fans greeting Yunho.
Yunho politely said "Thank you" to each fans one by one.


Here's the copy of the original text.

64 ■From LA



ハングルで書かれている文字は「SMの犬」そして「裏切り者 地獄へ行け!」でした。
20代そこそこの青年が、家族同様と思っていた仲間に裏切られ、その上云われのないバッシングを受け、心にどれだけの傷と苦痛を負ったのか・・・・・ (続く)
Michelle 2010-10-27 21:13:12 >>このコメントに返信

65 ■From LA(2)


ユノは、ファンの一人一人に「Thank you」と丁寧にお礼を言っていました。
Michelle 2010-10-27 21:14:26 >>このコメントに返信

[YouTube video of Yunho leaving Inchon Airport on 03-05-2010]
I wonder if there's no sound in this clip because of all the yelling and cursing. I found few other clips, but none of them have the sound. I can't even imagine what Yunho was feeling in this clip.

[Video of Yunho at LAX]

Tuesday, February 22, 2011

[Translation] A fan's video for Changmin's B-Day

Well, I've been writing upsetting posts, so I am going to post something good.

This is a video made by a fan for Changmin's birthday. The video was played at his birthday party with the fans. I heard that Changmin was really moved by this video.

This is to remind the readers that there are many KCassies who supported HoMin throughout this ordeal while enduring extreme difficulties and fighting endlessly against the rumors and bashings. There are also many CJS fans who became TVXQ fans after finding out the truth. They are the true heroines who stood by HoMin and fought against the antis while searching for the truth.

Many evidences and facts were collected and researched by those fans, and without them, this blog won't exist.

The story is told by subtitles without any voice, so it will be really easy to follow my translation. Just go to the next line when the subtitle changes. I put timestamps too, but it won't be hard to follow. The translations in parenthesis are dialogues in the pictures. It's long, so just open another browser window with translation on the side while playing the video. I hope you enjoy it.

It almost brought tears to my eyes (I'm a sensitive man LOL) while translating it because I know how difficult it was for those fans, how hard they fought, and how much they cried.

* The video is by Butter-nim, the administrator of Max's fan site "You got the power"

* One of the reader of my blog, nikkiyang subbed the video. You can watch it here. 

Dear Oppa,

when I was 14,

I saw a boy kissing a cat

his innocent eyes were unforgettable

so I became his fan

the boy was a fairy

who grew up to be a god

and meanwhile, I became a 22 year old lady (0:27)
("Mom this concert is the last one")
("You think Max is going to be my son in law for that?")


being Max's fan for 7 years

was not an easy task.

sometimes I lied to mom ("Where are you?" "Library~")

ditched classes ("Where are you going all dressed up like that?" "going to a date~")

when others were meeting men

I was in a fan meeting. ("<-Man")

Even though my side was cold (* meaning no boyfriend)

I was always happy (0:46)

when I listened to Oppa's songs

it felt like I had everything in the world

the loving heart was

always warm..

but since some day (1:02)

I couldn't listen to the songs I loved

I sometimes fought all night with some strangers

it was hard (1:10)



I thought a lot about (1:18)

how precious oppa was to me

with the belief

one day I will see you again


and waited

the moon on August 21st was big and bright (1:44)

from that moon

oppa came down

how oppa danced beautifully

how the voice

deeply resonated the air

I wonder if oppa knows all that

the things I thought I lost (2:07)

all came back

my heart

started beating again

I am Max Changmin's fan. (banner: shut it and only Max Changmin)

the past and present

now and for ever

to continue to like Oppa, (2:26)

will make me do a lot of things

fight against the nature ("be alert. ur gonna die if you fall asleep")

and probably fight against the antis  ("I'll fight you with cold facts")
("Oppa I'll protect you!)

overcome kissing scenes

in a magazine bought with my own money ("this man... again!")

read your endless dating stories (dating dating dating dating dating)

need to study hard (2:43)

and get a decent job

I want to be a great person

because I am Max Changmin's fan.

you are walking with a huge load (2:57)

if only a little

I want to share it

let's walk together

you are not alone

it's said that nothing lasts forever in this world 3:13

but instead of uncertain future

hundreds (3:20)


10s of thousands of us

who loves oppa

we believe this moment, right now

Changmin oppa who I love a lot (3:33)

stay busy

make a lot of money

always stay healthy

and smile happily

above all,

be with us all the time

for a long long time

let's stay close

even if you don't show it

we know

that you like us

always shining bright from above,

my star Shim Changmin-shi.

Happy 24th Birthday

February 18, 2011
From Cassiopeia

How Yunho and Changmin were bashed

My previous two posts showed how the rumors were spread systematically by some CJS fans following the "directives" they received from the 6.25 meeting. It may be hard to believe that such things could happen, but then again, everyone reading my blog saw it first hand that it's still done today.

As soon as I posted the translation of the 6.25 meeting, it was taken without my permission, then a "summary" was added to hide the parts of the translation that some didn't want people to read, and the new masked version of the translation was all over the internet the next day. Also, as soon as an article or a news that's advantageous to CJS is released back in Korea, it spreads like a wildfire the next day to international fans. Readers have all seen it happening. Compared to that, any news article that helps HoMin or SM never gets any coverage especially to the international fans. The fact that the full version of HoMin and their parents' statements weren't available for over a year until they were posted on my blog is a good example. It's funny that people are accusing SM of spreading rumors when in reality it's exactly the opposite.

So how did their "operations" to spread the rumors work? Very well indeed.
You've all seen the same rumors spread from the meeting repeated over and over today among international fans. Some people still use the "9:1 profit share" even after the real contract was released. Obviously "facts" are not important to some as long as the info can be used to justify CJS's action whether it's true or not.

While the rumors were spreading on the blogs and forums, many fan sites were taken over by the fans supporting CJS including DNBN. I'll post a detailed account of what happened to that site, but the short version is that the original administrators were kicked out, and new admins and mods took over the site. On the surface, they claimed to support all 5, but in reality, they only supported CJS while ignoring HoMin.

Once the fan sites were taken over, it was all downhill for HoMin and their fans. Only the rumors created from the 6.25 meeting were supported as the truth, and any opinions against those were largely ignored. Any posts not suited for their agenda were deleted or ignored, and the members who posted such opinions or info were given warnings or banned. Even some HoMin fans blamed HoMin for the breakup and not leaving SM with CJS.

Remember, there weren't any evidences or facts available at that time like today, so it was hard to refute those rumors, and the fans believed them especially since fan site admins forced them to the members. The 6.25 meeting was known to some people immediately after it happened, but the actual voice file wasn't widely spread until later in the year, so CJS fans simply denied the existence of the meeting. Without any proof, there was no way to convince any fans. Those people even twist and misrepresent obvious facts, so you can imagine how a claim without solid proof would've been treated. The existence of the 6.25 meeting was also denied by international fans until I released the translation, and as soon as that happened, their strategy suddenly shifted to discrediting it as it meant nothing serious just like how it happened back in Korea.

Meanwhile, the injunction to void the contract was filed on July 31st, and all the blame for the TVXQ's breakup was solely put on HoMin for betraying CJS instead of joining the lawsuit together. Bashing HoMin and SM started to intensify from that moment, and peaked when they released the official statements.

The judgment for the injunction was given on Oct 27, 2009 allowing CJS's individual activities, and on Nov 2, 2009, HoMin and their parents released statements urging CJS to come back to keep TVXQ, and stated their position regarding the cosmetics business.

* Another warning. Ignore the rest if you don't want to get really upset.

Obviously, HoMin and their fathers were pleading to the fans hoping they'd listen, but their plea was completely ignored by the fans. Instead, the bashing increased exponentially and went out of control that resulted in the infamous 3000, 5000 replies. (삼천플, 오천플) There were thousands of replies bashing HoMin viciously. I'm just going to translate part of the replies (for an obvious reason).

I've only uploaded 2 pages, but there are more.

International fans are in a way lucky that you can't read them. There are some horrible things said to HoMin and their families in those replies. Just look at the sheer number of the pages from above link, and believe it or not, those are just part of it.

* Here are a few translations of the replies from the screen capture below.

If they're gonna split, just do it amicably. Why are even parents getting involved to bash the other 3 members? I feel sorry for the 3.

2222222 If they wanna go separate ways, they should just go. I mean, they were a team, but trying to dump the members in the mud. I really despise them. I'm not even going to look at them.

Parents are ruining their children. Parents should think about the future but they're blinded with greed right in front of them.

They don't even know how to sing.

Wishing ChunJaeSu to do well.

* and more...

Jung Yunho @#$% hate him. Not even interested in Shim Changmin.

Hey Jun Yunho ㅋㅋㅋㅋ I trusted both you and Shim Changmin until 3 o'clock today that you were going to file the lawsuit together... I thought you had an unknown reason....but after seeing your signature after 3 o'clock... I felt like a fool, and enraged with betrayal..I really @#$@ liked you... especially you, Jung Yunho...I was fan of you and Jaejoong  ... but you betray the fans and the members? .... blaming the members with cosmetics? They are the members who had hard times in Japan with you... are you happy @#@%@%?

I really thought TVXQ was meaningless without all 5.... crazy ... No, on second thought, (TVXQ) don't need you and CM. TVXQ will do well...Aren't JS and JJ more than enough for singing? YC can write songs, so don't need to worry about him... how about you?.. Fans complemented you for live performances and dancing, but you #@$@ do acting.. but your drama bombed LOL  Ur living like a loser...

Living like a loser.. so funny LOL

(username JungYunHo) You wrote exactly how I feel....I'm ashamed of my username. I'm gonna change my name you @#@#.

I'll build a tomb made of rock as big as your greed for you, so wait!

That was just a small sample of 5000 replies. There were also replies about hitting them with rocks to kill them, taunting Yunho's families' background in legal fields etc. Any reason that could be used to bash them, it was used. Those thousands of replies were all on a single post, so you can easily guess how severe the bashing got.

HoMin were labeled as "Jung, the icon of betrayal" (정윤호 배신의 아이콘),  and "Shim, the icon of bystander" (심창민 방관의 아이콘) from those replies, and antis still call them those names until today.

While all this was happening, what did CJS do? Nothing. Actually, towards the end of the month, CJS appeared on MNet's MAMA award, and accepted the "Best Asian Star" award as TVXQ. I don't know if the readers know the background, but SM was boycotting MAMA at that time, so CJS appearing on MAMA was a definite in your face move towards SM.

During the acceptance speech,  Jaejoong made this famous comment, "I'd like to tell the two friends who may be watching this that I love them."

"혹시나 보고있을 두 친구에게 사랑한단 말 전하고 싶습니다"

Guess what happened to HoMin after he made that speech? After MAMA, a rumor spread that HoMin were eating spicy chicken ribs (닭갈비) while CJS were accepting the awards, and HoMin were bashed again for that. Why? Because they were eating chicken ribs instead of watching three friends accepting awards and sending them a message of "love", that's why. Search "동방신기 닭갈비" (TVXQ chicken ribs) on a Korean search site, and you can find many blog entries bashing HoMin for that reason. Simply unbelievable and ridiculous.

There was even saying among the fans that Yunho was bashed for taking a breath.

If it weren't for the 6.25 recording, HoMin would've been labeled as "traitors" forever.

Thursday, February 17, 2011

CJS's fans in action part II

Here are more examples of what some fans did to spread the rumors created from 6.25 meeting. I put the screenshot of the originals, my translation, and the Korean transcript. There are 3 posts and replies to the posts. If you have high blood pressure, I suggest you to skip this. You have been warned.
I won't be analyzing these. Just reading the translation should be enough.

First one shows how they recruited people to perform certain tasks to spread the rumors.


★ We need an admin for Data Forum!!!!!!! + Recruiting more members for Writing Task Force!!!!!!! 

Hi, this is 망고신.
I'm posting to recruit a member to be the admin of the data forum.
You guys all know the data forum will be private, and we decided to run it by emailing new data to the admin. (It doesn't necessarily have to be the admin. Members of Writing Task Force should be good too. Decide after discussing with Task Force members. The usernames of the Writing Task Force members are listed below.)

We need to select an admin to get things going with the documents, but nobody's volunteering to be the admin. On top of that, I won't be able to be on the computer after early August because I'm going to be busy. ㅠㅠ so I can't be the admin. That's the reason I went from Writing Task Force to 3rd Task Force ㅠㅠ
I'm sorry.

So we're recruiting volunteers for Data Admin and Writing Task Force members. 

Writing Task Force is not difficult. You just need to know well about the circumstances so far, and cherish ChunJaeSu. 

We need the following documents.
[A detailed step-by-step description of the situation from the beginning
A summary
How HoMin's side has been spreading rumors (How they mentioned families, spreading rumors on the portal sites, what their fathers said etc.)
About Crebeau (This is old news, but we don't know how it's going to blow up after the breakup, so it's probably better to have them organized).]
I think the above 4 should do. There are enough circumstantial evidences for 3 and 4, so attach some evidences.
Well, this is just my idea, and Task Force members can have a meeting at another time and decide.

And we need a Data admin. I'd like members who have been active in our little meetings to volunteer if possible.
People.... we need your participation ㅠㅠ
I didn't know I was going to leave because of personal reasons. ㅠㅠ It's frustrating ㅠㅠㅠㅠ

Post your intentions to volunteer for the admin and additional Task Force in this thread.
I ask for many of you to participate.

Replies (9)

Junsukim    ㅠㅠ I'm not capable and don't even know how to do it, so I'll just do my best on what I've 
                    already volunteered for. I'm sorry. ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ 

나야        ㅠㅠㅠ Me too.ㅠㅠㅠ I'm just watching what's going on. I have organized the rumors, 
                    but I can't readily volunteer because I've never been an admin anywhere else. I'm frustrated
                    at myself. ㅠㅠㅠㅠ 

ㄴ 망고신      No 나야 it's ok. ㅠㅠ I thank you for just leaving a msg like this. ㅠㅠ Don't think it's 
                    too hard! Writing task force is not that hard. ㅠㅠ Do you want to join the Writing Task
                    Force? If you think it's too much for you, you can do something else. 

ㄴ 망고신      Also, there's not much to be an admin. You just need to maintain posts. That forum will 
                    only be accessed by the admins and Writing Task Force members, so it won't really
                         require much maintenance.

ㄴ 나야           I'm on the fence because I am not confident in any of the tasks 1,2 and 3.  ㅠㅠ I'm worried
                   I'd just be interfering other members. Anything else I can do? Let's discuss if there is. ㅠ 

ㄴ 망고신       No. Just your participation is helping. How about number 2? Is it too much for you to 

에끌라            I'll be the admin. I'm on the computer from 8 or 9 until 1 in the morning. ㅋㅋㅋ I feel
                   like a loser now. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Since I'm on the computer for a long time, I think I can take 
                   care of the maintenance. 

ㄴ 망고신      Oh!!!! That's awesome! ㅠㅠㅠ (Pad on the back) ㅠㅠㅠㅠ I'll be recruiting for 
                   2 days, so let's see what happens. ㅠㅠㅠ Thank you so much. ㅠㅠㅠ (Pad on the back) 

사용가능닉   This is what you posted... Sorry ㅠㅠ I'll help with something else. Please people, let's all 

Korean Transcript  

★ 자료실 지기햏 모집하오!!!!!!!!!!! + 글쓰기 전담반햏들 추가 모집하오!!!!!!!!★
글쓴이 망고신 

안녕하시오 망고신햏이라오.
다름이 아니오라 자료실 지기햏을 모집하기 위해 이렇게 글을 쓰오.
아시다시피 자료실은 비공개로 운영하며 지기햏에게 자료를 메일로 보내는 형식으로 운영하기로 결정났소
( 굳이 지기햏 아니고 글쓰기 전담반햏들이라도 괜찮을것 같숴. 그것은 글쓰기 전담반 햏들이랑 얘기하고 결정하시구랴. 저 밑에 글쓰기 전담반 햏들 닉네임 있소 )

 자료실 지기가 얼른 뽑혀야 글도 진행이 되는데 지기햏에 아무도 지원하지 않고 있소.
또한 업친데 덮친 격으로 햏도 8월 초순 이후로는 바빠져서 컴퓨터를 잘 못할듯 하오 ㅠㅠ... 그래서 햏도 지기를 맡을 수가 없구랴.글쓰기 전담반에서 3번 전담반으로 ㄱ것도 같소 ㅠㅠ...
죄송하다는 말씀 드리오.

 그래서 지기햏과 글쓰기 전담반 햏들 모집하오 

글쓰기 전담반 어려운 거 아니오. 그냥 지금까지의 사정을 잘 알고 있고 천재수를 위하는 마음만 있으면 되오 

[ 처음부터 끝까지 차근차근 지금까지의 상황을 정리한 구체적인 내용 하나
요약본 하나
호민측의 물타기( 가족까지 들먹이며 루머 뿌린 거. 포털싸이트에 루머글 뿌린 거. 아버님 말씀 등)
끄레뷰 얘기 ( 이것 썩은 떡밥이라고 하나 나중에 해체되면 어디서 어떻게 일이 터질지 모르니 정리해두는 게 좋겠소.)]

이렇게 네 개만 만들면 될 것 같소. 특히 3,4번은 정황상 증거도 많으니 증거첨부해서 만들면 될 것이오.
뭐 이건 햏의 생각이고 나중에 글쓰기 전담반 햏들끼리 모이셔서 정하셔도 좋게구랴

그리고 지기햏 필요하오. 되도록이면 소모임에서 많이 활동하던 햏들이 신청해주셨음 좋겠구랴.
햏들........참여가 필요하오 ㅠㅠ....
햏도 개인사정때문에 이렇게 나갈 줄은 몰랐소 ㅠㅠ 답답하구랴 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

지기햏, 글쓰기 전담반 추가 신청 여기다가 해주시오
제발 많은 참여 바라오.

댓글 9개

Junsukim          ㅠㅠ 햏은 능력도 없고 어떻게 하는 줄도 몰라서 지금 신청한것 열심히 하게쏘ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ죄송
                         하옹 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

ㄴ 나야            햏도 ㅠㅠㅠ 지금 눈치만 보고있숴.뉴쪽은 대충 루머 정리했는데 햏 어디서고 지기 이런걸 안해봐서 선
                         뜻 나서질 못하겠숴 이런 내가 답답하오.ㅠㅠㅠㅠ

ㄴ 망고신        아니요 햏 ㅠㅠ 나야햏 아니오ㅠㅠ 이렇게 글 남겨주는 것만으로도 고맙숴 ㅠㅠ 너무 어렵게 생각하지
                         마시오! 글쓰기 전담반 어려운거 아니용 ㅠㅠ 그럼 글쓰기 전담반 하시겠쏴? 너무 부담스러우면 다른
                         거 하셔도 괜찮숴

ㄴ 망고신        글고 지기 어려운 거 아니고 걍 게시물 관리만 하는거요. 거기 글쓰기 전담반 햏들이랑 지기햏만 볼 수
                         있는 공간으로 만들꺼라 딱히 뭐 관리 안해도 된다옹.

ㄴ 나야            뒤에 전담반 모집 1.2.3 어느것도 제대로 잘 해낼 자신이 없어서 눈치보고 있는거오.ㅠㅠㅠ 괜히 다른 
                         햏들한테 피해만 줄까봐.또 뭐 다른거 또 할거 없소? 있으면 의논해 봅시다.ㅠㅠㅠㅠ

ㄴ 망고신         아니오 햏 나야햏 참여만 해주시는 것만으로도 도움되오 ㅠㅠ 2번은 안되겠소? 심히 부담스럽소?ㅠㅠ

에끌라              행히 그러면 지기에 한표 내겠소. 햏 8-9시경부터 새벽 1시경까지 컴터하오..ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ이러니까 
                          참 : 잉여같구랴 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 일단 잡고 있는 시간이 많으니까 관리는 할 숭 있지 않을까 싶소.
ㄴ 망고신         오!!!!!!!!!햏 짱이오 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ햏 궁디팡팡 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ 
                          일단 신청기간은 한 이틀정도로 잡았으니 한 번 봅시다ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ햏 너무 고맙소 ㅠㅠㅠㅠ궁디팡팡

사용가능닉      이렇게 글이 올라왔구랴....미안하오 햏ㅠㅠ 다른 방면에서 돕겠소 다른햏들 많이들 신청해 주시구랴ㅜ


Another one. It's self-explanatory.


This is what I posted on Best Dresser anonymous forum
(* Best Dresser is the name of a board.)
Poster: Cream Cheese

TVXQ requested SM to improve the condition of the contract.
(They even paid for plane fares for activities in Japan;; It's a slave contract.)
If the request weren't accepted, all 5 of them were going to leave together, but
SM tried to split all 5 apart and came between them by offering a role in a drama, for example.
U-Know and Max Changmin chose to stay in SM, and that's how they each got a starring role in a drama.
I heard about Hero Jaejoong, Micky Yuchun, Xiah Junsu's cosmetics business or something.
The three are just investors, and it has nothing to do with the rumors of the breakup.
Real cause was those two.
It was the leader and quiet Max Changmin that betrayed.
The situation is very similar to H.O.T. days.
(SM) didn't want all 5 to leave so they grabbed anyone they could and those are the two.


Change the way it's written a little bit, and spread it to many places as possible.

In anonymous forums, you should post replies like "Wow, they're back stabbers."

2 Replies

    You posted on BeD? I'll check it out.

     I think it's enough, you should delete this, otherwise it may look suspicious.

Transcript in Korean

베드 익명방에 올린거
글쓴이 크림치즈 

동방신기가 sm한테 계약조건 좋게해달라고 요구하고
(얘네 일본활동 비행기표도 다 얘네 돈이었다고;; 노예계약이었다하긔)
안들어주면 다섯이서 나가기로 약속했는데
sm이 다섯명 다 찢어놓을려고
에셈이 드라마 시켜주겠다 이런식으로 이간질하다가
유노랑 최강창민이 sm에 남는다고 선택해서 드라마 주연 된거래요
영우재중 믹키유천 시아준수 화장품사업인가 얘기도 들었는데
얘네 셋은 그냥 투자자들 중에 세명이지 해체설에 아무 상관없다고 하고
알고보니 진짜 이유는 얘네 둘.
리더하고 조용했던 촤강창민이 배신한거였긔
에쵸티떄처럼 상황이 좀 비슷하게 돌아가는거같긔
다섯 다 같이 나가는건 못보니 아무나 잡자해서 잡힌게 저 둘이라고..
말투 조금씩 바꿔서 퍼뜨릴 수 있는 곳엔 다 퍼뜨려주시오
익명방이라면 햏들이
'헐 뒷통수쳤네;'
이런식으로 더 달아주시오

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베드에 올렸소? 햏 가보리다
햏 이정도 했으면 글 ㅍ하시구랴 안 그러면 의심 받을 수도 있소

Last one. I already gave you a health warning.


I'm going to post this on a forum
Poster: Cream Cheese

5 TVXQ requested (to modify) the condition of the contract, and decided to leave together if that doesn't work. (It was a such a slave contract, they even paid for their own airfares.)
SM came between them just like H.O.T. days.
So U-Know Yunho and Max Changmin joined hands with SM. (That' why only those two are doing drama)
Oh, the 3 were notified from SM that the 2 are staying with SM after quite a while.

Umm.. what was it... Oh! Xiah Junsu, Micky Yuchun, and Hero Jaejoong was in some kind of cosmetics business, and when a fan talked to the president from the main office, he already knew about the stories that the cosmetics business causing breakup, and if that continues, he even said that they'd sue the people who keep talking about it. He said the 3 are just part of many investors.

So the conclusion is

5 made a request to SM->SM comes in between->U-Know Yunho and Max Changmin were lured->two gets starring roles in dramas

That was the post I read, and there were some news articles published today about Changmin and Yunho, so I think it's correct.

Isn't it similar to H.O.T. days?  Except they grabbed the most popular members at that time, but this time they got the two who happened to be lured.

To be honest, I didn't think those two would be in dramas.

There were more, but I cannot remember all ㅠㅠㅠ I'll add more if I recall.


I pretended to be an ordinary person ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Replies (11)

김준수정ㅋ벅ㅋ  "Some kind of cosmetics business" ㅋㅋ Did great pretending like a non-fan ㅋㅋㅋ
제발                  Aren't you going to post this on (ㅅㄷㄴㄴ) cafe? Use the type of writing they use a
(please)              lot more ㅋㅋㅋ

박유천의그녀     "Umm.. what was it... Oh!" ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
(Yuchun's girl)      I'm sorry. I'm laughing because it's so cute. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ I think it's good. 
                         It has what needs to be said, and doesn't have any useless extra stuff.

    ㄴ 망고신      2222222 This is very cute ㅋㅋㅋㅋ and it must be included ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
                         ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ it's good ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

망고신               Oh ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Nice ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

크림치즈            ....... Thank you guys ㅋㅋㅋㅋ I'll post it now and come back ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
(Cream Cheese)
준수kim            Can I use this post? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
유초니                  You did a good job ㅎ ㅎ ㅎ
동순이               zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
(Dong girl)
진리                   It's pure~~ oh pure smell ~~

Korean Transcript

펑방에 올릴거
글쓴이: 크림치즈
동방 다섯이서 에셈한테 계약조건 요구를 하고
안되면 다섯이서 같이 나가자고 이러던 차에
(비행기티켓값도 얘네가 다 냐야될 정도로 노예계약이었다고 했음)
에셈이 에쵸티때 처럼 이간질을 함
그래서 유노윤호 최강창민만 에셈손을 잡았다 하긔  (그래서 얘네 둘만 드라마 하는거고)
아 얘네 둘이 에셈에 남는다는걸 세명은 시간이 한참 지나고 에셈에서 통보받았다 했음

음 머였지..아! 시아준수 믹키유천 영웅재중이 무슨 화장품 사업하는걸로 얘기 있었는데
화장품 본사 사장한테 팬이 말했더니 화장품때문에 해체얘기 나돈거 다 알고있고
계속 이야기 나오면 그 얘기한 사람들 고소하겠다고까지 했다고함
얘네 세명은 많은 투자자들 중에 세명일 뿐이라고 했다하긔

그니까 결론은
다섯이서 에셈에 요구->에셈 이간질 -> 유노윤호 촤강창민 걸려듬-> 두 명 드라마 주연
제가 봤던 펑인데
오늘 촤강창민 기사 뜨고 유노윤호 기사도 뜨고 한거 보니까 맞는거 같아여
뭔가 에쵸티때랑 같지않긔?? 그땐 인기멤버를 잡았지만 지금은 그냥 걸려든 두명이 잡힌꺼빼곤
근데 솔직히 전 얘네 두명이 드라마할거라곤 생각도 못했긔
얘기가 더 있는데 다 생각이 안나네여 ㅠㅠㅠ 더 생각나면 추가하겠음

일반햏인척 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

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김준수정ㅋ벅ㅋ      무슨화장품 사업ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 일반인척 제대로 했구랴 ㅋㅋㅋ
제발                          이거 ㅅㄷ ㄴㄴ  카페 올릴 거 아니오? 긔체 좀 더 팍팍 쓰시오 ㅋㅋㅋ
박유천의그녀          음 머였지..아!ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
                                  ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 햏 미 ㅏ 안하오 귀여워서 웃는거야 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
                                  괜찮은거 같소 들어있을말은 다 들어있고 쓸데없는 말도 없고
ㄴ 망고신                 222222이거 되게 귀엽소 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 근데 이거 꼭 들어가야하오 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 
                                  ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 좋소 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
망고신                      오 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 좋닼 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
크림치즈                   --------햏들 고맙소 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 지금 올리고 오겠소 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
준수kim                    이거 퍼가도 되오? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
유초니                      햏~잘 쓰셨소~ㅎㅎㅎ
동순이                       zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
진리                           퓨어하오~ 오 퓨어스멜~~

Monday, February 14, 2011

CJS's fans in action part I

Towards the end of the 6.25 meeting, the participants started to discuss what to do about these "swirling" rumors.

Junsu's father starts to voice his opinions [File 4 @ 8:44]. After throwing all the blames towards HoMin and SM, he tells the fans that he does not want them to write posts like the other side, again subtly mentioning that HoMin's side is spreading the rumors, but then he throws hints that it's possible to write about the meeting if personally inclined.

"It’s possible that there are people who write something at personal level because they really don’t like seeing those (rumors), but on the home pages, (we don’t want it)"

Then [File 5 @ 2:35] Jaejoong's sister suggests that they need to "defend" the rumors. People starts to discuss about their actions, and after some discussions, Jaejoong's sister gives out specific requests. [File 5 @ 3:42] She's basically telling the fans to spread the rumors discreetly, but not officially.

"Then, since each of you guys are administrators of fan sites, don't put up on the home pages because if those are put up on the home pages, it may be, you know, for the administrators, so doing it through personal blogs (laugh) or such routes …"

After Jaejoong's sister, Yuchun's mother gives out more detailed directive. [File 5 @ 4:39] She tells the fans exactly what needs to be posted. At that point, fans were already told many times that HoMin are staying with SM because they got individual offers from SM, and Yunchun's mother wants them to write why CJS are not taking HoMin with them. Anyone can guess what that means.

"In this situation, this is what I think we should do. We need to say the 5 needs to get together, need to say things like why we are not taking Yunho and Changmin with us, I think we'll get better response if we say those. If we don't show the truth this way, that will lead to (???) from what you want. Need to worry for Yunho and Changmin so the 5 can continue together, which is true. You know that’s how it is. Yuchun exists because TVXQ is here, so I think that is better."

Finally, Junsu's father puts a last nail in the coffin with this statement. [File 5 @ 5:20]

"Do it wisely."

The purpose of the 6.25 meeting was to dispel rumors, but now the fans are asked to spread the rumors created from the meeting. The only supposed rumor they discussed that was significant was about Crebeau not having anything to do with the breakup. HoMin's betrayal, contract, SM dividing the group were all new information told by the parents, and the breakup was confirmed in the meeting, again by the parents of CJS. For the fans of CJS, those new information was the "truth" CJS asked their parents to tell the fans.

After the meeting, the fans in the meeting went into action. They started spreading the new "truth" actively.

Here's a screenshot of how they spread the rumors. Notice the date and time (June 26, 09, 2:03)

Here's the translation of the post and replies. The transcript in Korean is on the bottom of this post.


I went to Kangnam Baptist church today. (6.25 meeting was held in a church)

I'm in shock, and I'm writing all over the place, can't even type. I'll just tell you straight out.

I think it is true that the kids wanted to leave SM for some time.
It's not to break up the group. They want to stay as TVXQ together independently. It's either to gain stronger voice within the company, or if that doesn't work, they decided to leave the company and create a company or change the company. What's important here is the decision was under the condition the group was not to be broken up, and for the 5 to be together.
I don't think this was decided recently, and it looks like it was planned and discussed for a long time.
Instead of providing better activities and situation, SM made the kids work like robots, didn't even pay them enough for the work, and ignored activities and musical directions the kids wanted, using the kids like machines. (For example, the song selections for the Mirotic concert was solely decided by SM and the kids' opinions were ignored)
Anyways, the power struggles between the kids and SM became obvious since the beginning of the year, and the kids started to stand against the company and expressed strong opinions unlike before.
They are boycotting schedules and commercials, and they are boycotting SM concert and the summer album, and now those activities are becoming uncertain.
Anyways, there were troubles and disagreements with the company, but they were united tightly as 5. SM must have changed their strategy, and I think SM started to come between the members.
Another poster described the process already below.

SM only contacted Yunho, and gave him Evisu commercial and a starring role in a drama to lure him to stay in SM.

And Yunho accepted it.

Right now everyone talks about Crebeau, but the reason the kids are involved in Crebeau is to gain financial freedom so they can control TVXQ's easier, to escape from the company's control, and to stay as TVXQ forever.
But suddenly, Crebeau is used as a reason for the breakup, which is ridiculous and absurd.
The Crebeau business was offered to all 5, but Yunho did not accept it from the start.
The kids even offered to quit Crebeau if that was what's causing issues, but it looks like Yunho made up his mind already.

Even though Crebeau has nothing to do with it, rumors about the kids getting greedy for money because of Crebeau and wanting to break TVXQ started to float around the blogs and forums rapidly. Honestly, isn't it ridiculous? That's why the family of 3 gathered the fans to tell what's been happening.

I heard that the kids are really suffering, and it's hard to look at them. I heard Jaejoong kept telling his sister that he wants to die.
They want to stay as TVXQ if they only had 1% of possibility. It means they don't want to break the team. Whatever they do, they want to work as TVXQ of 5.

Replies (41) * Koreans use ㅋㅋㅋ (laughing) and ㅠㅠㅠ (tears flowing) a lot

Yunho made up his mind...ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ
Thanks. I wanna meet you separately. Oh I'd like to meet you with other TVXQ fans.
This is another one of those that says Yunho's a traitor..ㅠㅠ I'm confused what is the truth...
It's frustrating...
It feels like my heart's getting ripped hearing Jaejoong wants to die...
Which administrators met today?
Really, Crebeau doesn't make sense.
- What doens't make sense? I get it myself.
- I'm talking about Crebeau kids doing solo.
- I think she's talking about Yunho
- Yeah right. wanting to do solo in Japan... the kids are not fools;;
Oh Yunho
- Yunho... really....
- Yunho ㅋㅋㅋ ...... really, you ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ....

It's not out of the blue. It's real. Sorry people. But the story about the breakup is really true. I'm really nervous, I'm gonna die. Admins of Changmin and Yunho already met a while ago, and Yunchun, Jaejoong, and Junsu's admins had a meeting today.
- But why are the admins meeting? I don't even want to believe it, but why the admins are meeting for
  something like this... geez
- Not Changmin, but Yunho's admins and his dad already met a while ago. They talked about  
  influencing fan's opinions with Crebeau. It's disappointing, really.
- Huh, it may be really true. Geez, it's driving me nuts..
- Wow ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ
- Don't you know that SM gathers fan site admins whenever there's talk of a breakup? SM had a 
  meeting when the 4th album was out saying they don't know what's going to happen if that album
  doesn't do well. Admins always hold a meeting when something like this happen. And parents (+)
  This time it wasn't SM. Anyways think of the admins as Fan club presidents. That's why they getting 
- Influencing opinion is laughable. It just looks like fan wars about rumors between individual fans
- No, this meeting was not by SM. Sooman is just drinking stupid wine --;
- I heard that too ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

But from what I heard, that wasn't the problem with Yunho.... It wasn't the drama. It was something else... I can't tell you right now in this situation.. Anyways, that drama seems to be going in a direction of canceling. He was leaning towards rejecting it when the role was offered.

It's because of who's taking the responsibility of the breakup. Yunho's side already spread rumors about Crebeau, so Jaejoong's sister must've felt urgent.



Few hours after the meeting, posts like the above started popping up in various forums. You can see the post includes what was talked about in the meeting, but then the poster manages to add a few more twists of her own. It looks like she knew what needed to be done, getting creative with the post and doing more than what was asked. Notice "And Yunho accepted it" was written all by itself to emphasize Yunho was the one who took SM's bait. This is just one example of how the rumors started to spread. I'll be posting a couple more examples of how the participants of the meeting spread the rumors systematically in my next post.

Here's the Korean transcript of the screenshot for the readers to test your favorite translator.

소행 오늘 강남 침례 교회에 다녀왔소.

지금 너무 충격이라 무챡 횡설수설 하고 글도 안써지오 그냥 대놓고 말하겠소.

애들이 예전부터 에셈을 함께 나오고자 한것은 맞는거 같소
해체를 한다는 소리가 아니라 자기들끼리 동방신기로서 쭈욱 자립적으로 서고자
다섯명이 모두 뭉쳐서 기획사 내에서 좀더 목소리를 낼 수 있는 위치를 확보하거나
그게 안되면 기획사를 나와서 기획사를 차리는쪽? 혹은 기획사를 옮기는 쪽으로
가닥을 잡고 여기에 중요한것은 절대로 해체가 아닌 동방신기 5명은 함께 한다는 전제였소.
이건 근자에 결정한게 아니라 자기들 끼리 꽤 오래동안 계획하고 논의한 일이었던거 같소.
에셈은 동방신기에게 좀더 나은 활동과 상황을 만들어 주지는 못할망정 애들을 로봇같이
돌리고 그에 상응하는 금전적인 피드백도 없고 애들이 하고 싶어 하는 활동이나 음악적인
방향을 묵살하고 오로지 기계처럼 애들을 '이용' 했다오. (한 예로 이번 미로콘 리스트도
애들의 의견이 묵살된 에셈의 일방적인 셀렉팅이었다 하오)
아무튼 애들과 에셈의 기싸움이 올해 초 부터 좀 노골적으로 있어왔꼬
애들도 전에 없이 강하게 의견을 피력하면서 기획사에 맞섰소. 들어오는 스케줄과 광고를 보이콧 하고
가까운 에셈콘이나 여름앨범도 모조리 보이콧 하고 있어서 이것도 지금
무튼 의견조율이 안되고 회사랑 좀 트러블이 많은 상황에서 다섯이서 똘똘 뭉쳐 있다가
에셈이 방향을 틀었는지 멤버들 이간질을 시작한거 같소..
그 과정은 아래 어느 햏이 써놓으신 바요.
윤호에게만 컨택을 해서 에비수를 단독 광고로 주고 드라마 주연으로 발탁 해줄터이니 너는 에셈에
남아라고 회유를 했다 하오..

그리고 윤호는 그것을 수락 했소.

지금 끄레뷰가 며칠 사이 화두로 떠올랐는데 애들이 처음에 끄레뷰를 하는 이유가
경제적인 자립성이 생기면 동방신기를 자신들이 원하는 방향의 활동으로 움직이기가 더욱 수월할 것이고
나아가 회사에 휘둘리지 않고 영원히 동방신기로서 함께 하기 위해서 였다오.
근데 갑자기 이 끄레뷰가 애들의 해체 이유로 대두 되는 상황이 참 기가 차기 그지 없고 안타깝소.
끄레뷰 사업 제의는 애들에게 다 들어 왔지만 윤호는 거절을 애초에 거절을 했었소.
일이 이렇게 되고 나서 혹시나 애들이 끄레뷰 때문에 껄끄러운것이라면 끄레뷰도 접겠다고 했으나
윤호는 이미 마음을 굳힌듯 싶소.

이렇게 끄레뷰와는 아무상관도 없는 상황에서 일주일 전부터 갑자기 끄레뷰 때문에
끄레뷰 애들이 끄레뷰 사업 욕심이 지나쳐서 동방 해체를 원한다는 소문이 블로그 와 펑 들으로
급하게 소문이 퍼져나가기 시작했소.
솔직히 기가 차지 않겠소? 그래서 지금 세사람의 가족들이 팬들을 모아놓고
그간의 상황들을 전한것이라오.

지금 애들이 너무 힘들어 해서 옆에서 보기조차 안스럽다 하오.
재중이는 계속 누님에게 죽고싶다고 한숨처럼 그소리만 한다 하오..
단 1%의 가능성이 있어도 동방신기로 함께 하고 싶어 한다 하오.
팀을 깨고 싶어 하는게 아니란 소리요. 어떤 활동을 하던지 동방신기 다섯이
함께 활동을 하고 싶어 한다 하오.

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윤호가 마음을 굳혀...ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ
햏 일단 잘 읽었소.. 햏이랑 따로 만났음좋겠소. 아 정말 햏 동덕들이랑 같이 만났음 좋겠소
이말은 또 윤호가 배신자 얘기잖소..ㅠㅠ 뭐가 진실인지 혼란스럽소..

아 햏 진리 일순윈데 막막하오......
재중이가 죽고싶다고 한다니까 마음이 찢어질꺼 같구려.....
오늘 모인 마스터들이 어디 마스터햏들이오 근데?
솔직히 끄레뷰애들 말은 안되오 진짜;;
- 어떤게 말이 안된다는 말이오? 햏은 이해 되는데
- 끄레뷰애들이 솔로한다는 얘기가 말이안된단 얘기오..
- 아까 윤호쪽 얘기를 말씀하시는거 같소
- 아아 그렇지라.. 일본에서 솔로 하고 싶어 한다니..무슨 애들이 바보도 아니고;;

- 윤호야.....진짜.....
- 윤호 ㅋㅋㅋ ...... 너진짜 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ.....

영 말없는 얘기아니오. 사실이오. 햏들 미안하오. 근데 지금 해체 얘기나오는건 진짜 사실이오. 햏 간떨려 죽겠소.
창민이윤호 마스터들은 이미 예전에 모였고. 오늘 유천재중준수 마스터들 모임갖었소
- 근데 마스터들이 왜 모이오? 믿고 싶지도 않지만 이런 일로 왜 마스터들이 모이는지 참
- 창민은 아니고 윤호 마스터들이랑 윤호아빠가 훨씬 전부터 만나고 있었더이다. 거기서 끄레뷰 얘기 물타라고 나
  왔소. 실망이오 완전.
- 엄머 사실인가봐.... 아놔 미치겠네
- 헐 ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ ㄷ
- 원래 해체얘기나올때마다 에셈에서 팬페이지 마스터들 모으는거 모르시오? 저번 4집 활동전에도 에셈에서 결집
  시켰었소. 이번 활동 잘 안되면 어떻게 될지 모른다고. 원래 이런 일 있을때마다 마스터들 모임 갖소. 부모님들
  까지 (+) 이번엔 에셈에선 모은건 아니지만 어쨌든 팬페이지 마스터햏들이 예전 팬클럽 회장쯥 생각하면 되오.
  그러니까 모인단 소리요
- 물타니 뭐니 진짜 웃기시오.. 그저 개인팬들 간의 루머 다툼으로 밖에 안보이오
- 에셈에서 모은게 아니라니까 햏. 수만이는 와인이나 쳐마시고 있소 --;
- 햏도 이 이야기 들었소 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

근데 햏.. 내가들은건 윤호가 저문제가 아니었쉬..........윤호가 드라마때문에가 아니라, 좀 다른 문제였소...
햏도들은 이야기라 이상황에서 말은 못하겠지만..하튼 좀 저 드라마는 좀 퉁친 분위기로 가는거 같았소 거절쪽에
가까운 이야기였던거같소 캐스팅 들어왔을때부터

지금 이 얘기나오는게 왜 그렇냐면 해체책임론때문에 그렇소. 얼마전에 윤호쪽에서 먼저 끄레뷰가지고 루머퍼트렸
고. 아마 그래서 재중이 누나햏이 급했던 모양이오.


Saturday, February 12, 2011

Analyzing 6.25 meeting

The reason I waited a few days before analyzing the 6.25 meeting was to let the readers to read the translation first without my input. I was confident that any objective minded person could easily determine what the meeting was about, and the readers' comments seem to confirm my belief.

It is probably not really necessary for me to post anything about the meeting because the translation itself speaks volumes, and I'll most likely be repeating what the readers, have already said, but here it goes. 

Participants of the meeting
Junsu's father, Yuchun's mother and Jaejoong's sister and the administrators of CJS's fan cafes (clearly stated in file 1 @ 1:00)

The parents claim the meeting is to dispel rumors and to talk about the truth, but the meeting doesn't really talk much about any specific rumors.

They talk about trying to keep TVXQ as 5, but most of the times are spent on talking how the group is already split into 3 and 2. To really get that point across, they emphasize that they're holding onto 1% chance of keeping all 5, implying there's 99% chance of the group breaking up.

The rest of the meeting is about how HoMin agreed to leave together but changed their mind at the last minute after getting special treatment from SM, how SM is trying to divide the group, and problems with the contract and SM's refusal to accept any change, putting ALL the blame for the breakup on SM and HoMin.

Around the end of the meeting, the participants discuss how to "defend" the rumors, but in reality, they are talking about how to "spread" the rumors that was created in the meeting.

Most of the readers who read my blog are fans of TVXQ, and know first hand how a fan's mind works.

Imagine yourself in that meeting, you are one of the administrators of CJS's fan sites, which mean you are a devoted fan of CJS, and you are listening to the parents of CJS talking to you. Do you trust them? I bet you do. Also, they have emphasized that CJS personally requested the meeting by calling their parents early in the morning magnifying the urgency of the matter, so of course you'd trust what's being said in the meeting.

They also stir the fans' emotion by saying things like how the members have suffered, crying during the concert, and Jaejoong feeling like dying earning the fans' sympathies. As CJS fans, they must've felt extremely nervous and urgent, feeling the need to do something to protect their idols from "evil" company that's trying to split the group.

Now it's time to take a closer look at what's said in the meeting.

Let me list some of the rumors/lies said in the meeting.

* HoMin changed their mind in one hour after getting offers of individual activities from SM.
* HoMin's parents had a meeting to spread rumors before 6.25 meeting
* SM is trying to divide TVXQ
* SM is using Crebeau just as an excuse
* Crebeau has nothing to do with the split
* Problem with the contract - 9:1 profit, 13 years contract - 15 including military service

Do claims listed above sound familiar? Those are often used to blame HoMin and SM for the breakup, and I'm sure many readers heard those many times already. It's simply amazing that the rumors created from a meeting in Korea over one and a half year ago are still used to bash HoMin by some people even without any proof to support those claims.

Let me go over them one by one in detail.

[HoMin changed their mind in one hour after getting offers of individual activities from SM]

It's hard to believe that HoMin would change their mind on something as big as breaking up TVXQ in one hour. Also, it's hard to imagine that SM would find out about them leaving, and somehow promise HoMin individual activities to lure them back within that one hour. Even if it is assumed that HoMin had second thoughts about leaving, it should take more than one hour to make the decision. It's a decision that could affect the rest of their life, but they're claiming HoMin made that decision in one hour. If I were HoMin, I'd at least consult my lawyers, talk to my parents, and talk about it with CJS. There's no way I'd change my mind in one hour after agreeing to leave SM together.

Also, many fans argue that CJS won't breakup TVXQ for a cosmetics business, but they have no problem believing that HoMin would betray their friends and possible future of TVXQ for a mere commercial and a drama. Does that make sense?

As for HoMin's individual activities, TVXQ's individual activities were already planned in advance. This is the Avex's Max Matsuura's article posted on Dec 2009.

It talks about Junsu's solo work, and it also lists other member's planned individual activities. The activities listed are: Yunho, Changmin and Jaejoong's drama, Jaejoong & Yuchun's solo singles. But most importantly, it stated the activities were planned since the beginning of the year. 

Want to see another proof? How about one from Junsu himself?

The above is Junsu's interview from Elle Japan magazine around May 2010, and it talks about his solo project, and in that interview, he mentions that solo projects for each members were planned since 2009 (unit activities and drama), so he was aware of each member's individual activities.
So individual activities were planned for all 5 members, not just HoMin.

[HoMin's parents had a meeting to spread rumors about CJS before 6.25 meeting]
This was the excuse given by Junsu's father and Jaejoong's sister for 6.25 meeting, and it is the sole reason why people claim there was a 6.23 meeting. This claim in itself doesn't make sense, but I am going to make a separate post about the 6.23 meeting.

Also notice when Junsu's father talks about rumors spread from HoMin's father's meeting with HoMin fan's admins [File 2 @ 2:02], he gives an example of badmouthing Jaejoong by comparing with Yunho being the leader in Korea. That's a pretty sneaky way of provoking individual fans knowing how competitive they could be.

[SM is trying to divide TVXQ]
This is such a ridiculous claim. They're saying SM wants to split TVXQ and kick out the 3 because of the cosmetics business. SM is in the business of making money, and TVXQ is their biggest product. There's no way SM would break up TVXQ for the cosmetics business. Anyone familiar with how businesses operate would know this doesn't make sense at all. When I post about the lawsuits, the readers will find out that SM tried its best to bring the 3 back to keep TVXQ intact. SM would be the last one that would want to break up TVXQ.

[SM is using Crebeau just as an excuse]
[Crebeau has nothing to do with the breakup]
I already posted many times about this subject. If any of the readers didn't read my posts about the business, read these posts:

Jaejoong's sister says that he was not involved in the business in April [File 2 @ 7:09], but there's a video of Jaejoong promoting the products filmed in January. Check out Jaejoong's "Body exuding beauty video"

[Problem with the contract - 9:1 profit, 13 years - 15 including military service]
Jaejoong's sister's claim of TVXQ getting 1 from 9:1 profit distribution is a flat out lie. According to the contract, TVXQ gets 70% of net profit from overseas activities.

Also notice that Jaejoong's sister stated that she was surprised about the profit after seeing the contract. [File 3 @ 3:00] Then Junsu's father immediately corrects her saying they never saw the contract. Then later on when a fan asks how they found out about the 9:1 distribution, he simply says he happened to hear SM's president saying it.  [File 4 @ 3:44]

About the 13 year contract, Junsu's father contradicts himself. He says 13 year contract is not bad, but when asked by a fan about it, he states it's too much for the kids and make the 13 year term seems longer by including the military service that has nothing to do with SM. Whether you're in SM or not, every man has to serve in the military in Korea. There are many articles or arguments made by anti-SM people talking about the contract term being 15 years including the military service to make it seem longer than it is. Where do you think that idea came from?

Also remember the parents wanted to keep the 13 year contract, and I posted about it.

When a fan asked Junsu's father if the contract was ever changed, he said it never did. [File 4 @ 0:00] But the injunction judgment clearly shows that the contract was amended 5 times. Also, the contract itself shows that it was modified 5 times, so that's another lie. Notice the last modification was done in February 6. CJS filed a lawsuit in less than 6 months after they signed an amendment.


Now let me talk about other subjects discussed from the meeting.

In the beginning of File 3, Junsu's father talks about SM already taken measures to stop their activities in Korea, and CJS working only in Japan after leaving SM. They already knew CJS won't be able to work in Korea, and were planning to work only in Japan. I know SM is a capable company, but already blocking CJS's activities in Korea in that short period of time? Also, SM probably didn't know that CJS were filing a lawsuit for sure until they got the notice in June 24th. HoMin's parents' statement also states they didn't know about the lawsuit.

Here's an interview from CJS's lawyer Lim Sang Hyuk.

He was interviewed after the injunction judgment was granted, and here's an excerpt from the interview above.
임 변호사 역시 처음엔 가처분을 생각지 못했다. “처음 상담할 땐 ‘계약무효 판결은 받을 수 있다. 다만, 한동안 활동을 못할 수 있다’고 알려줬어요. 2명이 참여하지 않은 데에는 이런 이유도 있을 겁니다. 차후 법률 검토를 하면서 가처분을 해봐야겠다는 생각이 들었죠.” 

Lawyer Yim also didn't think about the injunction initially. "When I consulted them first, I told them 'It is possible to get a judgment to void the contract, but you may not be able to work for a while.' That could be one of the reasons why the 2 didn't join. I thought about filing the injunction while reviewing the laws later on."

The lawyer states he advised CJS about the possibility of not being able to work during the lawsuit. Junsu's father also mentions about getting legal consultation in the 6.25 meeting. [File 5 @ 1:11]

So they knew they couldn't work in Korea during the lawsuit, and already planned to work only in Japan to begin with, but used that information against SM to make them look "evil". The lawsuit is still going on because of them delaying the lawsuit, but the fans are still blaming SM even today for blocking CJS's activities even though CJS already knew about it.

One other thing to note is that in the beginning of the interview, he states that he never met Changmin.
“(웃음) 이거 보도되면 안 되는데… 얼굴을 몰랐어요. 찾아온다기에 오전 내내 뮤직비디오랑 사진을 컴퓨터에 띄워놓고 얼굴과 이름을 외웠죠. 최강창민과 영웅재중이 끝까지 헷갈렸는데 다행히(?) 최강창민이 안 왔더군요.”  

"(Laugh) This shouldn't go on the news... I didn't know their faces. I was told they'd come so I played music videos and pictures on the computer all morning to memorize their faces and names. I still was confused between Max Changmin and Hero Jaejoong, but fortunately (?), Max Changmin didn't come." 

This also refutes the claim of HoMin leaving SM together. I highly doubt anyone would decide to leave SM and file a lawsuit without consulting the lawyer who's handling the case.

Going back to Japanese activities, we all know how active CJS were in Japan without HoMin after the injunction judgment was given until Avex suspended them, and only then CJS and the fans started to complain about their Korean activities.

Now let's go over the claim of CJS wanting to keep 5. The parents state they want to keep TVXQ as 5, but eventually, they always come back to the members already split into 3:2. Before this meeting, there were only rumors of TVXQ's breakup, but during the meeting, the breakup is pretty much confirmed by the parents. Then throughout the meeting, they blame HoMin, HoMin's parents, and SM for the breakup. So to the CJS's fans attending the meeting, the only way to keep the 5 is for HoMin to leave SM, and that's the 1% of hope that's left.

CJS are willing to quit Crebeau, then why didn't they? Because of the contract? But we know the contract is not that bad. The profit distribution is definitely not 9:1, and the 13-year term was signed voluntarily.

It was stated that the 5 decided to either stay together or leave together, so when HoMin changed their mind, why didn't the 3 agree to stay in SM? Another conflicting statement.

So this is what CJS's parents were telling the fans gathered in the meeting.

"TVXQ is going to breakup, and it's all because of HoMin and SM, and we're holding this meeting in response to HoMin's parents meeting spreading malicious rumors, so unless HoMin leaves SM with us, TVXQ is 99% done. Did we mention it was HoMin's fault, and they betrayed CJS?"

So after CJS's fans were fed with those information, what did they do? That's coming next.